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Many times I've seen Hydon/Hener teaching moves that are based on how someone with knowledge of jiu jitsu would respond.
For example, in the 32 principles they say: when you do _____, since they will defend against an armlock/something else, you will now be able to _____.
If my goal of learning jiu jitsu is 100% self-defense, is there a purpose to learning those kinds of moves/ learning that kind of mindset?
RIVAV (4/28/2023 4:27 PM)
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The primary focus is street self-defense starting with techniques that work against most people most of the time. As you advance through the courses, we introduce techniques and considerations when fighting against more skilled attackers - including grapplers. While self-defense mindset never changes, we still try to cover all aspects of jiu-jitsu so that you fully appreciate the art. We emphasize having the ability to throw the "street switch" so that you never lose sight of the fundamental purpose of the art as we explore some of the sportive aspects.
Gracie University 1
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Short version of my last question: I get what you're saying about being a tournament fighter on the street. Can you talk about what happens when a street fighter enters tournaments?
David Winzer (4/23/2023 5:25 PM)
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The biggest challenge is to suppress street reflexes in order to follow the sport rules. A street focused student is more likely to inadvertently use illegal moves.
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I understand what you're saying about getting out of the tournament mindset and starting from a survival mindset. Most of us start training a tournament mindset and then have to "adapt" a survival mindset later on, after we've already set the wrong foundation.
What comments would you have about going the OTHER direction, going into tournaments WITH a survival mindset?
Tournaments, for me, are like a mid-term practical exam. I go to test myself against other opponents with different styles and see what I've really learned, I don't really care about the medals. But I want that knowledge to carry over to the real world, so when I step onto a tournament mat I've been following the Bruce Lee philosophy, which is "tournaments are stupid, end the fight as QUICKLY and DECISIVELY as possible so I don't get hurt." And it seems to work, to an extent a sub always wins, no matter what the points or the clock say. But Lee was a striker, not a grappler, so I know that also changes the dynamic of how to "end the fight."
If I step into an MMA cage no time, sub only with a survival mindset instead of a tournament mindset, would that make me more successful or less? How can I practice my survival mindset at tournaments, to make myself a more competent fighter, when everyone else is playing for points and trophies?
David Winzer (4/23/2023 5:14 PM)
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If you're losing on points without being submitted, then you're still winning from the survival standpoint.
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why is it that you say you wouldn't apply the straight arm lock against an opponent on the street when it is in the combatives curriculum? i am a bit confused. thanks a lot!
dyb (3/21/2020 9:20 AM)
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The straight armlock is a legitimate technique as long as you recognize the need to abandon the submission if the BG lifts you off the ground. It also applies to the triangle choke and punch block series stage 1 - for that matter, any closed guard position that would enable the BG to slam you.
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Great lesson, guys! I'm just wondering here, and if I want to become a jiujitsu instructor. Wouldn't that recognition coming from winning at sport work as marketing advantage? Gracie's already have a name and don't need to be at sports events to spread the name. What could be a solution to train street level and spread the word also?
Lucas Pedro (9/29/2019 9:25 AM)
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Sure, it's a marketing advantage for bringing students to the school. But, ultimately they will decide whether or not the training is right for them based on its street applicability. Championship sport jiu-jitsu without street application or with a competitive mindset risks chasing off less athletic students or those seeking solely to learn self-defense.
Gracie University 1
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If a sports BJJ gym is your only option and there are no Gracie schools nearby, would you say sports BJJ is better than no BJJ, as long as you keep a self defense oriented mindset while training?
Persaliano (12/12/2018 6:46 PM)
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Yes, any Jiu-Jitsu is better than no Jiu-Jitsu, as long as you are safe!
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Thank you for all GJJ Is. Especially the "No Ego" and "Survival" mindset.
What should it "feel" like, to know you're ready to move further, with "more pressure from your training partners", and eventually fight simulation, and rolling, when starting out as a new GJJ practitioner?
SkrockiJ (8/11/2018 11:13 AM)
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One day at a time. When the time is right, you will know. We highly recommend that you follow the suggested training guidelines and format! Enjoy the journey, there is no finish line!
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I practiced Wing Chun Kung Fu for 2 years now, and I must say that I'm very impressed to see you controlling the hands the way you did at the end of this lesson. It looks very much like what we learn in our striking-specialised art and I'm very happy to see that such important principles are totally applicable with your jiu-jitsu. I think too that strategicly tought strikes are also how every and any strikes should be. You two are amazing. This is major. If only everyone could know and really understand this way of thinking... People could get real skill.
Oh and I must say: I practiced fencing with both foil and saber for 8 years. I went quite high in AAA tournaments, and YES.
Distance Management.
You really got it all.
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Bene Singularis (11/9/2017 6:35 PM)
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Thanks for the feedback!
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Hi guys. This might have been answered on another forum, but here goes:
It goes without saying that Sport Jiujitsu is not as well suited for a streetfight, but how does the reverse translate? (Street Jiujitsu to competition) I ask because I am interested in both :)
Shino82 (8/1/2016 1:25 PM)
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Many of the street techniques are fully applicable in a sportive setting!
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You should not present it like the bjj guy "won" the fight Although he "won" the physical fight, I would say he lost the fight because he's the one who said "i kick your...", he is the fault for the physical fight. the other could have pull a knife from his bag or he could be a better martial artist than the bjj guy, and after getting stabbed the bjj guy would regret he said "i kick your..."
Ido Rosen (5/23/2016 6:42 AM)
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Noted. Thanks!
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I just started the Gracie University but I have some 4 years training bjj already.
Although I love bjj as sport and want to start some competition, my real interest relies on bjj as a martial art and the confidence it gives in real fights and, therefore, I want to train bjj focusing much more in the self-defense/martial techniques than in sport techniques.
With that said, is it still possible to master the basic bjj techniques for self-defense and real fight and also perform well in competition and normal bjj sparring?
For example, if I don't know techniques like berimbolo, can I still perform well agains a sport bjj practitioner?
Thank you!
Joaopaulo (1/25/2016 9:15 AM)
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Yes, we have many students who focus primarily on self-defense, but who do very well in competition!
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Im currently in lesson 12 of the combatives elbow escape could do i have enough basic knowledge to spar small resistance right along with fight similulation?
Tony40 (5/10/2015 9:32 AM)
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We don't recommend sparing at this point in your training. Drilling and Fight Simulation is where it's at!
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When doing the combatives does this defend against all styles of martial arts except for bjj sport correct
Tony40 (5/10/2015 9:28 AM)
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Generally speaking, yes.
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With me doing Gracie Combatives do I have just the same advantage doing the fight simulation drills compared to a bjj sport practioner who spar every class?
Tony40 (3/4/2015 7:27 PM)
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Fight Simulation and regular sportive sparring are completely different! The philosophies, the strategies, and the techniques are very different.
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